My theory suggests the 144,000 maybe the rapture.

Nov 18th, 2009 | By | Category: Questions You Ask (click for the full answer), Revelation

I’ve been testing a theory I’ve got and it is very different.  I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I just want scripture to why you disagree.

My theory suggests the 144,000 maybe the rapture. But when I proposed it to christians I know, they were a little disturbed by the thought. My question is why? I’ve looked into the passages and I can’t find anything that says it isn’t. Can someone tell me why the thought is taboo?

This is a big subject, but lets try to break it down into different parts, but this discussion will only cover the 144K.

The 144,000. Who are they? The standard answer you will get is that they are actual Jews who will be saved in the last days. We find this reference in the book of Revelation, which is a book of symbols. We see that the 4 winds are being held back until the “servants of God are sealed”, then it enumerates the tribes of Israel.

A couple of things we notice that two tribes are missing: Ephraim and Dan. This is very significant, and as this is a book of symbols, we need to find the significance.

“Ephraim” which is besides being a name of a tribe, is sometimes used to describe the composite 10 tribes. Ephraim means multi-fruitful, that is, a large seed-bearing progeny later designated “a great multitude” (verse 9). This tribe is described in Hosea 7:8 as a cake not turned (immature), or “silly dove” in Hosea 7:11 (unwise), and in Matthew 25:1-13 as the foolish virgins (combining the thoughts of unwise and immature).

We ar told star differeth from star in glory. Ephraim is a spirit class, but not the brightest star in the heavens. In the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, she doesn’t get in before the door is shut, she doesn’t go to the marriage, hence she is not the Bride of Christ. But is she lost totally? No. She has a promise:

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. (Rev 19:9)

She gets to go to the reception. She is also shown elsewhere in the scriptures as “bridesmaids”, which are not like bridesmaids today, these were servants, and we see that born out in Revelation chapter 7 that they serve before the throne, but they don’t sit in the throne.

Next is the tribe of Dan. Gen. 49:17 calls Dan a serpent in the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward [to destruction–see 1 Sam. 4:18] Dan pictures a second death class who get no reward of life on any plane.

So now that being said, if the missing tribes represent classes of individuals with different destinies, the remaining represent classes with all the same destiny.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:15-16)

And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. (Rom 4:12-13)

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (Rom 9:6-8)

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. (Rom 9:24-26)

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:26-29)

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; (Rom 11:17)

These scriptures describe the gentile Christians as the Israel of God, the seed of Abraham, showing there is no difference. I believe that in the listing of the tribes in Revelation that are part of the 144K, they are describing the Bride of Christ. Today we think of Personality types, sanguine,  choleric, melancholic, and  phlegmatic. These are the ones I learned and there are blends of them. I have seen as many as 16 different types listed on the internet. We cannot be all Pauls or Peters, Marys or Marthas, but yet as different as we all are, we can be of the Bride of Christ. I think this listing shows that there is variety in the true Body of Christ, we all have different personalities, but yet we make up the whole.

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  1. seems reasonable

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  2. (below is what I saw not long ago on the internet—Travis)


    To see the long hidden side of the 179-year-old, British-invented-and-American-merchandised, apocalyptic “rapture” mania, Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers)” (the sloppy copyist “genius” that Lindsey, LaHaye and other “rapture” tycoons lean on!), “LaHaye’s Temperament,” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Thieves’ Marketing,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “The Newest Pretrib Calendar,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” for starters. The author of these items plus the bestselling nonfiction book “The Rapture Plot” (available online) is journalist/historian Dave MacPherson who has uniquely focused for 40 years on the bizarre history of this endtime craze which is anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic and anti- just about everyone else! MacPherson is the one who has researched throughout Britain and aired so much rapturesque “dirty linen” he’s found behind the scenes (clever revisionism of early 19th century documents, rampant plagiarism, phony doctorates, Swaggart-type scandals etc.) that he is now No. 1 on the hate lists of the leading “rapture” money-changers! As everyone’s black, dust-covered book says, “There is nothing hidden that won’t be revealed….”

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